SOKOLOV, SOKOLOVSKY, GERENBERG, LIBERMAN (Kiblich) / СОКОЛОВ, СОКОЛОВСКИЙ, ГЕРЕНБЕРГ, ЛИБЕРМАН (Киблич)

[leahkushner]

I am new to the forum. I am searching in multiple countries as each of my grandparents were born in a different country. Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova (Romania), Latvia and even Lithuania. Lucky me!
I have had great luck in Latvia but am stuck with the Ukraine. My grandmother arrived with her parents Sokoloff/Sokolovsky and Gerenberg/Leiberman. They were all born in Kiblich. I was able to locate a huge book from 1858 census from Kiblich. The cursive Cyrillic is very difficult to read and I am scanning each page. Any advice? Kiblich was a small town with only 5,000 Jews. I will talk later about the other grandparents.
Leah Kushner

Я занимаюсь поиском в разных странах. Мои бабушки и дедушки родились в разных странах. Беларусь, Украина, Молдова (Румыния), Латвия и даже Литва.
Мне очень повезло в Латвии, но я застряла в Украине.
Моя бабушка приехала с родителями Соколов / Соколовский и Геренберг / Либерман. Все они родились в Кибличе.
Мне удалось найти в Кибличе огромную книгу переписи 1858 года. Мне тяжело читать рукописный текст кириллицей. Приходится просматривать каждую страницу.
Что бы Вы посоветовали?
Киблич был маленьким городком, в котором проживало всего 5000 евреев.

[leahkushner]

I am researching
Dvinsk, Latvia-surnames: Kushner, Shvei, Igol
Kiblich, Ukraine, -surnames Sokoloff, Gerenberg, Lieberman, Burd, Kertzburd, Fineberg
Turov and Davyd-Horodok, Belarus: Surnames: Fuksman, Kaluzyni, Lifshiz, Fox, Hoffman
Edinet, Moldova (Romania): Surnames- Sopher, Soiffer, Sophir, Rosner

I have found documents in Latvia. I am having a difficult time in Turov, Belarus. I did find that most of my grandmother's family died April 1942 (Yad Vashem)
I found tucked in another archive a jpg book from census 1858 in Kiblich, Ukraine. It is hundreds of unindexed pages in cursive Cyrillic. Suggestions?

Thanks for any help or suggestions.
Leah Kushner

Двинск, Латвия : Кушнер, Швей, Игол
Киблич, Украина : Соколов, Геренберг, Либерман, Бурд, Керцбурд, Файнберг
Туров и Давид-Городок, Беларусь : Фуксман, Калюжный, Лифшиц, Фокс, Хофман (Гофман?)
Единцы, Молдова (Румыния) : Софер, Сойфер, Сапфир, Роснер

Я нашла документы по Латвии.
Есть проблемы с документами по Туров, Беларусь. По информации на яд-ва-шем большая часть семьи моей бабушки умерла в апреле 1942 года.
В другом архиве я нашла ревизскую сказку 1858 года по Кибличу, Украина в jpeg. Это сотни неиндексированных страниц с рукописной кириллицей.
Как мне найти информацию о моих родственниках?

[oztech]

I found tucked in another archive a jpg book from census 1858 in Kiblich, Ukraine

Есть ли ревизская сказка 1858 года по Кибличу в открытом доступе?

[Ифалько]

I was able to locate a huge book from 1858 census from Kiblich. The cursive Cyrillic is very difficult to read and I am scanning each page.
Leah Kushner

If you could give us a link to the 1858 Kiblich census, we'll certainly help you find and decipher all the relevant entries.

[anno_nin]

Мне удалось найти в Кибличе огромную книгу переписи 1858 года.

У нас есть тема по Киблич
Но ревизская сказка 1858 г. в ней, вроде бы не указана. Да и число евреев в Кибличе в 1858г. не 5 тыс., а раз в 10 меньше.
Найденный Вами документ с 5 тыс. записей может относиться к уезду или губернии.

[leahkushner]

Please tell me the best way to upload the books for Kiblich that I found. I would like to make sure they are public records. I also would love to have help locating the surnames I am researching. I do not want to attach large files unless it is okay.

Thanks
Leah Kushner
SCJGSociety@gmail.com
Kushner, Igol, Shvei, (Dvinsk, Latvia; Vilius, Lithuania) Soiffer, Sopher, Saper, Rosner (Edinet, Moldova), Kaluzyni, Fuch, Fuksman, Hoffman, Gofman (Turov, David Horodok, Belarus)
Smolyar, Gershbain, Gershbein, Gersbyn, Malakova, Malikova (Zhitomyr, Ukraine)

Kiblich
Gerenberg
Геренберг

Kertsburd
Керцбурд


Leiberman
Ліберман

Sokolov
Соколов

Sokolovsky
Соколовский

Fineberg
Финеберг

Rudoy
Рудой
and a few other variations just in Kiblich.
I am also researching several surnames in Zhitomir.

[anno_nin]

Hello Lea, I moved you answers to the separate family theme.
Where You found Kiblich census of 1858? Can You publish a link?
About your family research in this town.
Can You tell us more about these people? What are their names? When they lived and how they connected to each other?

[leahkushner]

My Kiblich, Ukraine research:

Great-grandparents:
Max Sokoloff/Sokolov/Sokolovski b. 15 Jun 1881 Kiblich (son of Gedalia and Bossie Pearl) married to
Gertrude Gerenburg/Gerenberg/ Kertzburg b. 1891
with daughter (my grandmother Pauline/Pesa born 5 Dec 1908
Benjamin Sokolov b. 1884 or 15 Sep 1885 Kiblich married to Rebecca Rector Richter b. 4 Sept 1895 Kiblich mother Ida
Fannie (Freide) Lieberman b. 23 Apr 1882 Kiblich, Ukraine daughter of father-Louis (Laib) Itzig Lieberman (Liverman) b. 1860 • Gaysin, Vinnytsya, Ukraine and Fannie's mother-Sarah (Esther) Kertsburd (Lieberman)(Liverman)
Jan 1860–Kiblich Vinnytsya, Ukraine. Sarah's parents Lorise and Hinds. Louis Laib Lieberman's father Chaim and his father Efraim.
Fannie's siblings: Nick Nathan Lieberman 13 Sep 1883, Samuel Lieberman b. 28 Apr 1892 Padolyia, and Ida Lieberman 8 May 1895.

I am still searching for the link online. I downloaded the books which are on my computer. I could upload them to Google Drive and provide a link.

Thanks
Leah Kushner

[leahkushner]

Here is one link I found in Alex's site. What are burghers? I also have several others but will keep searching for the online link. Thanks. Leah Kushner

Auditing tale of the burghers of the Jews of the town of Kiblich. 1858 // DAKO . F. 1248. Op. 1. Ref. 537. (see pp. 173–197)
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... 2-1861.pdf

[Файнгольд Татьяна]

viewtopic.php?p=221585#p221585
Кадры 146-165 - 1850 год. Ревизская сказка о мещанах евреях местечка Киблич Гайсинского уезда Подольской губернии
Обработана, смотрите интересующие фамилии.

[migrev]

What are burghers?

leahkushner, It was one of the social estates in the Russian empires. Typically, transliterated as the meshchane, basically means urban dwellers, as opposed to nobles, priests, and peasants. There were also other minor social states or subclasses within the states I mentioned. The vast majority of the Jews in the Russian empire were meshchane (plural form, meshchanin - male, meshchanka - female).
You can read this short Wikipedia article on the topic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_es ... ian_Empire

[leahkushner]

I am helping a family research. Members of this family started immigrating in 1976 through 1986. Many got stuck behind. I am also looking for documentation for the family who died in the Shoah, during the revolution. Her grandmother died of starvation in the streets I am having a hard time with all the various spellings of the surnames. The only spellings I have are in English. I have been translating many variations into Russian and Cyrillic cursive.
Below is more of the story. Surnames: Smolyar, Gershbain, Gershbyn, Gurshbyn, Elinson, Mandeleyel, Geper.

This is what I have.
I thought I found her grandfather on Гершбеин Моисей Лейбович (my spelling) Leib Gershbain on Pamyat Naroda b.1913 but she said he was born earlier 1905 and died when he was 36 in 1941.
He was married to Riva/Risa (Gershbain ) Malyukova b.28 Feb 1906 Zhitomir. They had (3) daughters. Sima, Poly and Beila.
Risa documents name her parents as: Meyer Mandeleyel and Tsima Geper. Born between 1880-1887?

Roman Smolyar (b. 25 Dec 1932) and Beila Gershbain (b. 30 Jan 1937) were married Nov 24, 1956 Zhitomir.
The Smolyar owned businesses but lost everything during the revolution. Roman's brother, Mishle ( Moses) Smolyar was a high ranking officer. Roman and Misha's parents are listed on documents as:
Roman Smolyar and wife Beila Gershbain Roman's brother was in a high ranking military Michle Smolyar (Misha or Moses).

Smolyar family had a successful "trees industry” and had a huge factory transporting trees to the whole Ukraine and even Russia which was lost during the revolution. Both her maternal grandfather and partner grandmother died in 1941. One in the military and the other of starvation. The grandmother who died of starvation he son, Roman was 6 and watched her die along with his little sister. Roman's parents listed on US documents. His parents died in Ukraine. Iakov Smolyar and Mary Elinson. Mary was named Mina or Minnie.

I am trying to construct the family tree for them, find documents, lost photos. Sima and Poly are still alive in their 90's living in US. I plan on interviewing them.

Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Leah Kushner.

[anno_nin]

family started immigrating in 1976 through 1986.

1976 or 1876?

[Ифалько]

This is what I have.
I thought I found her grandfather on Гершбеин Моисей Лейбович (my spelling) Leib Gershbain on Pamyat Naroda b.1913 but she said he was born earlier 1905 and died when he was 36 in 1941.

There is Gersh-Leib Gershein born in 1909, not sure how closely is he related to the Gershbein you were looking for.

Gershbeyn Gersh-Leyb 1909.jpg

Отец Овручский мещанин Ицко Хаим-Гершкович сын Гершбейн, сын Герш-Лейб Гершбейн, родился в 1909.

[leahkushner]

There is Gersh-Leib Gershein born in 1909, not sure how closely is he related to the Gershbein you were looking for.

The family came 1980. Some came earlier but they got stuck due to the Olympics. Some never immigrated.