POGULYAEV (Kiev) / ПОГУЛЯЕВ (Киев)

[MCB]

Vasil Danilovich Pogulyaev grandson, he is also called Daniel.

From what you describe so far, I wouldn't be so sure if this is a connection. The surname Pogulyaev is much more common among Slavs, as are the names Vasil and Danil. If there is no connection to Novozybkov / no Jewish ancestors, then it's probably just a false lead.

You can safely tell your father that his father went MIA in September 1941 and never found, but clearly killed by the Germans, and his mother was living in Kiev in Podol after the war was over. That his likely uncle Zinovy also perished in the war. That there are historic documents left in Belarussia's and Ukraine's archives which will probably connect you with the "DNA relatives" in a clear way, but that it is a search beyond the capabilities of a few internet-savvy helpers (an actual archive dig will be required!)

How did he end up with his mother's surname in 1947 is an interesting topic to broach. Did he know the name, and in what context.

[Joanna]

He must have known her name. The way he has always told the story he was given new documents. He must have forgotten that he chose the name.

[MCB]

Also here is information about Zinoviy Danilovych Pogulyaev from Novozybkov (was born in 1906).
His wife Pogulyaeva D.G. lived in Novozybkov on Sovetskaya st. 78.
He also could be a brother of Alosha.

His family seems to have survived the war according to Yad Vashem. He was called up from Bobruysk according to the military record, and Yad Vashem has his family there.

Zinovy is listed as Zalman (of course!) and his wife "D.G." as "Doba daughter of Gersh" b. 1903.
Children Pesya 1927, Toma 1929, Bela 1935, Raisa 1938 - all 4 daughters so it's harder to find them with all the married names, but at least some of the 4 girls may be still around. Итак для поисковика -

Зиновий Данилович Погуляев, Новозыбков - Бобруйск, погиб на войне
Доба Гиршевна Погуляева

дочери
Песя (Полина Зиновьевна Погуляева?) 1927, Тома (Тамара Зиновьевна) 1929, Бела 1935, Раиса 1938

[Joanna]

My computer skills when I started this search were not good. I never thought I would find my grandparents. I will not give up.
I still can not believe it.
My father will be thrilled to know his mother survived.
My very best wishes to you all

[oztech]

Also here is information about Zinoviy Danilovych Pogulyaev from Novozybkov (was born in 1906).

Сейчас об этом еще рано говорить, но в посемейных списках 1882 и 1888 годов имеется одна и та же семья Погуляевых из восьми человек с припиской к Новому Месту Новозыбковского уезда. Имя главы - Лейба сын Зелика. Поскольку при русификации имен Зелики часто превращались в Зиновиев, эта семья может иметь отношение к данному поиску.

[MCB]

в посемейных списках 1882 и 1888 годов имеется одна и та же семья Погуляевых из восьми человек с припиской к Новому Месту Новозыбковского уезда. Имя главы - Лейба сын Зелика. Поскольку при русификации имен Зелики часто превращались в Зиновиев, эта семья может иметь отношение к данному поиску.

Погуляев Ефим Айзикович, на Память народа. Но этот же, кто подавал свидетельские листы про Клинцы на Яд Вашем - его отец был Айзик Лейбович, дядя, видимо, Моисей.

[Noel]

Thank you all for the time you have spent looking. You are amazing.
Now what to tell my father?
He is 90 years old, I do not want him to think his parents did not want him.
I am going to say that they were posted away with army. He was left with aunt to be looked after.
I hope this is the right thing to do.
I will continue with my search.
I would like to connect with family of Moshe Meir Pugliev and Nokhim and Nathan Pogulyaev if I can find the connection.
I already correspond with Vasil Danilovich Pogulyaev grandson, he is also called Daniel.
Thanks again from myself and my father. Who is now called Daniel

Story of your father is incredible and you do your best for him. So of course you decide what to tell him.

Also we don't know what happened in 1934 and why he started living with Krukov's family.
There could be a lot of reasons.

So I wish you good luck in your search and I hope you figure out more about it.

[Joanna]

Thank you for solving the mysteries of my family.

[Joanna]

To all that helped my wonderful father.
I was worried how my father would take the news that you had found his parents so I thought I would let you know. He is absolutely thrilled and amazed.
I have written it all down for him and he has now gone to show all his friends.
My heartfelt thanks to you all

[Joanna]

Can I ask one more question. Dad has a dna match to wassily pogulyaev/ pogulaew born 1893 n. Bobovichi. Arrived in America 1912. Where will I find records? His family are eager to find out more information.

[MCB]

a dna match to wassily pogulyaev/ pogulaew born 1893 n. Bobovichi

Don't yet know the answer for the records locations, but you really need to order relevant records (mentioned earlier in the thread with catalog numbers) from Kiev and Minsk archives How good a Wassily match BTW? The story keeps fascinating. It would be awesome to see some pictures, and even to get a donation to the project as a small token of appreciation. Although seeing people awed by discoveries is already a superb reward.

[Joanna]

Thank you. I'm afraid I cannot make donation as I don't use card online. My computer skills are getting better but not my confidence in Internet security. Im sorry as i very much appreciate your help. I will pass forward and help others where I can.

[Файнгольд Татьяна]

Это Эмиграция в Америку из России.
Как признак я взяла pogul.
Много не верно записанных фамилий и географических названий.
название НОВОЗЫБКОВ - можно узнать с трудом.
Все интересующие сведения можно искать на сайте https://familysearch.org/

[Joanna]

Thank you

[MCB]

my confidence in Internet security

You really need to figure something out. How will you order copies of archive documents from the relevant archives in Ukraine / Belarus / Russia if you can't make a payment? And without those records, a chance to connect the disparate branches of the family is slim. Mind you, many online payment options such as PayPal or TransferWise don't use cards, and other transfers can be done from an office. But the easiest way for you would be to rely on the help of the newly found DNA relatives.

[Joanna]

Yes I know, I'll have to look into it. Can't let it stop me now.

[mikev]

Yes I know, I'll have to look into it.

Doing this would be highly appropriate.

While the help you received came from unpaid volunteers, maintaining the site requires resources and therefore the site relies on contribution of people who get help.

[PIreneP]

Doing this would be highly appropriate.

A new visitor here. Fascinating thread. I am making a donation to the site

[Joanna]

Thank you. Irene you have been amazing. I am so grateful for the help my father and I have received from you and the people of this group.

[walk1968]

У одной семьи совпадение 132 сМ, и их предки тоже имели фамилию Погуляев (Nochim & Rosa Pogulyaev, есть на генеалогических сайтах)

На сайте Жертв политических репрессий также есть Погуляев Нахим Ананьевич

Родился в 1899 г., г. Томск; еврей; образование высшее; член ВКП(б) с 1920; завод 'Динамо' им. Кирова: инженер. Проживал: Москва, Тюфелев пр., д. 8, кв. 25.
Арестован 19 ноября 1937 г.
Приговорен: Комиссией НКВД СССР и прокурора СССР 23 декабря 1937 г., обв.: том, что в 1919 г. проживал в г.Харбине, являлся членом контрреволюционной белогвардейской организации 'Харбинское землячество томских студентов', работая на заводе 'Динамо', поддерживал тесную связь с троцкистами и проводил контррев. подрывную работу.
Расстрелян 29 декабря 1937 г. Место захоронения - место захоронения - Московская обл., Бутово. Реабилитирован 7 июля 1956 г.
Источник: Москва, расстрельные списки - Бутовский полигон

Не знаю, может быть и поздно... Но Нахим Ананьевич брат моей бабушки. И наши предки действительно жили в Новозыбкове.