GUTHERZ, WEISSMANN (Kalush) / ГУТГАРЦ, ВАЙСМАН (Калуш)

[anno_nin]

Если Вас не затруднит, посмотрите, пожалуйста, есть ли в словаре фамилии Gutherz/Gutharz (Калуш) Weissmann (Калуш)
Заранее спасибо

Gutharz (Lwów, Drohobycz, Stryj, Stanisławów, Kołomyja, Śniatyń, Horodenka, Rohatyn), Guthärz (Czortków), Gütharz (Śniatyń, Horodenka) A: githarts [Central Yiddish] good heart (see Gutherz).
Gutherz (Biała, Wadowice, Kraków, Drohobycz, Dolina, Stanisławów, Kosów, Śniatyń, Horodenka, Czortków, Rohatyn, Tarnopol)
доброе сердце по-немецки (Gutherz) и идишу (gutharts, githarts). В уезде г. Kałusz не встречал.

Weissmann (белый человек, блондин) была одной из самых распространенных фамилий Галиции, встречалась почти во всех уездах (прадва среди 300 фамилий, которые я выписал по Калушскому уезду, ее нет)

[anno_nin]

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[oztech]

Gutherz/Gutharz.../ ГУТЕР

Есть сомнение, что в России фамилия была Гутер, мне кажется, вероятнее - Гутгерц. На форуме в открытом доступе поиск такой фамилии не находит, но во вложенном файле "Именной указатель к Делам фонда 113 ДАХмО "Старший нотариус Каменец-Подольского окружного суда" (1880-1920)" она есть.
guillo88, а что еще Вам известно про данную семью, кроме привязки к Калушу? Есть ли у Вас какие-нибудь документы, письма, семейные архивы на русском языке?

[anno_nin]

мне кажется, вероятнее - Гутгерц.

Исправлено

[MCB]

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I do have records of my family living there, so I don't understand why wouldn't it appear on the dictionary.

You are welcome to share your records here.

The dictionary of Jewish surnames in Galicia is a book. You can purchase it from Avotaynu Publishers ( http://www.avotaynu.com/books/DJSG.htm ). The book has been published in 2004. It documents the most important geographic locations for the Jewish surnames at approximately year 1900. Your surnames are listed in the book with many locations, but not at the Kalusz location. The probable reasons may be that
1) Kalusz was not a significant location
2) the families may not have lived there before 1900
3) the documents about these families at this locations weren't available before 2004

PS: Нина, верните, пожалуйста, ответ Бейдера по фамилии Гутгарц во вверенную мне тему.

[Александр Бейдер]

Почему Вейцман? Вайсман!

[anno_nin]

Почему Вейцман? Вайсман!

Исправлено

[MCB]

А Гутгарц?

[guillo88]

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[guillo88]

I

I do have records of my family living there, so I don't understand why wouldn't it appear on the dictionary.

You are welcome to share your records here.

The dictionary of Jewish surnames in Galicia is a book. You can purchase it from Avotaynu Publishers ( http://www.avotaynu.com/books/DJSG.htm ). The book has been published in 2004. It documents the most important geographic locations for the Jewish surnames at approximately year 1900. Your surnames are listed in the book with many locations, but not at the Kalusz location. The probable reasons may be that
1) Kalusz was not a significant location
2) the families may not have lived there before 1900
3) the documents about these families at this locations weren't available before 2004

PS: Нина, верните, пожалуйста, ответ Бейдера по фамилии Гутгарц во вверенную мне тему.

I'll look into that book you told me about. Thank you very much! In regards to the records, I'm having difficulties locating the files. But once I do I will upload them here! Regards!

[guillo88]

А Гутгарц?

Could be, listen. My aproach so far is been like this. I do a broad search on any name with its multiple variations over 10 year span before and after the dates that my grandmother told me and not only in Kalush but on the near by towns aswell. I do this with every data base that I found. Since all I have are things she told me verbally. She didn't have any document. And on that time people used to write things however they wanted hahah. I have family members that went from Abraham to Adolfo on the costumes of my country just because they didn't know how to write it. So I'm not taking any chances. Gutgarz is a posibility aswell. Thank you!

[MCB]

the dates that my grandmother told me

"Gutgartz" is the spelling in Russian documents (where Yiddish "h" becomes "g"). In German and in Polish, it's still the same "h".
What are the years when the family lived in Kalush (according to your grandmother) ?

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[guillo88]

What do you mean by "change the theme"?

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I changed it already. I hope now it complies to every rule! Thank you and I apologize! Regards.

the dates that my grandmother told me

"Gutgartz" is the spelling in Russian documents (where Yiddish "h" becomes "g"). In German and in Polish, it's still the same "h".
What are the years when the family lived in Kalush (according to your grandmother) ?

To my knowledge, they lived at least since 1895 and from then until 1941 on the nazi invasion. That's when her father was born. That's the last recollection that I can be "sure" of. But like I told you, nothing is completely certain since everything I know was verbally transmited.From what I gather, they changed the name to Gutharz when they arrive to Argentina. But before that it was Gutherz. Thank you and regards!

Насколько мне известно, они жили там по крайней мере с 1895г. и до немецкой оккупации 1941г. В это время родился ее отец. Это последняя информация, в которой я могу быть "уверен". Но, как я уже говорил, ни на чем не настаиваю, т.к. вся информация из устных рассказов. Насколько я понял, они сменили фамилию на Gutharz по прибытии в Аргентину. До того фамилия была Гутгерц.

[guillo88]

Hello! Here I attach a registry from 1939 from Kalush where Gutgartz appears. Regards,
Guille

[anno_nin]

Hello! Here I attach a registry from 1939 from Kalush where Gutgartz appears.

Гутгарц. Это Ваша семья?
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